Post by Wyldcomfort on Jul 27, 2007 6:53:32 GMT -5
Hello!! Thank you so much for checking in with me... Bummer about theGPSing not working well, we really wanted to help. Please know you arealways welcome to join us on any of our trips and if you have a special datein mind to travel the trails we will be more than happy to take youourselves or find someone else within our group. It seems redundant to saywe ride all of the trails in the National Dunes Riding area but we actuallydo. The varied terrain gives families a depth to their adventures andactually provides a safer environment for our children. As you are wellaware, this sport is growing so quickly at the same time riding areas aregetting smaller. We appreciate and trust our relationship with you and willcontinue to support you in any matter we are able. Please keep us in the loop as it is very difficult not to be proactive andessentially do nothing when this matters so much to all of us. It ishonestly a leap of faith to turn over the reins. I do hope you understandhow hard this is on a group of thousands of families who have had theirshare of hard knocks lately. Again, we put our fate in your hands and trustyou will keep our best interests at heart. I will share your note with ourgroup so they also understand our current situation here. We had planned onrecruiting more help at the Dune Fest so appreciate a heads up on theproblems associated with the mapping programs. We are here to help in anyway that we can and look forward to a strong partnership in our future endeavors. Thank you - Lindy
Hi Lindy. Please see Dean's message below. It appears we will not beable> to use with any reliability the GPS information collected in those trail> mazes at the Oregon Dunes NRA. Even with our more sophisticated equipment> the results would likely be very marginal.>> In addition, we just do not need that level of detail for the decisions to> be made. We do not anticipate major changes in those maze systems at the> NRA. We will not be selecting individual trails from the mazes to keep> open or to close. Our NRA employees already know where those maze systems> exist. It will not be a priority for Forest employee time to collect this> highly detailed, but unreliable and unneeded information.>> We are definitely aware of your concerns and interests relative to the> trail mazes at the Oregon Dunes NRA and will consider your interests when> we develop our draft travel management proposal(s). Thank you for your> thought and effort with the GPS effort, but we believe it will be of> limitied value. We will certainly keep you informed about future public> involvement opportunities associated with the travel management effort on> the Forest and will welcome your future input.>> If you have further questions or concerns about this, please contact me.> Thanks, Lindy!!>> MICHAEL HARVEY> Recreation/Lands Staff Officer> Siuslaw National Forest> 541-750-7046> 541-750-7142 (fax)> mharvey@fs.fed.us>> Recreational development is a job not of building roads into lovely> country,> but of building receptivity into the still unlovely human mind.
Subject> Re: Dunes Trails and GPS(Document> link: Michael Harvey)>>>>>>>>>> I have received data from two separate ATV persons. I guess they have> chosen to go ahead and collect GPS data. As predicted, the data is notall> that good and they are taking a lot of time to do the GPS work. Again,> their receivers are not adequate for collecting this data, and to be> truthful, with so many trails that are so close to each other, I don't> believe there would be acceptable results utilizing our FS GPS receiver.>>> Dean Devlin> GIS/Data Services Specialist> U.S. Forest Service> R-6 DRM Customer Services Area 2> e-mail: ddevlin@fs.fed.us Phone: (541) 271-6052> Duty Station: Oregon Dunes NRA, Reedsport OR>>>> Michael> Harvey/R6/USDAFS>
Subject> Dunes Trails and GPS>>>>>>>>>> Hi Lindy. Kathy Fletcher forwarded me the message you sent to your> contacts regarding GPSing all the mazes of trails at the Oregon Dunes NRA.> I also spoke to Dean Devlin regarding the quality of the GPS units likely> to be used and whether the information will be of a quality that we canuse> in our Geographic Information System (GIS). Generally, the> over-the-counter GPS units will not provide data of the quality needed for> our GIS system.>> I don't believe that we need to know every route within those trail mazes> at the NRA. From aerial photos and our employees on the ground, wealready> know where those trail mazes exist. It's unlikely we'll close some of the> trails within a maze and keep others open. That would be too difficult to> implement, to enforce and for riders to understand. I think it's also> unlikely that we will try to confine all riders to one or two routes> through those maze areas. More likely is that entire maze systems (in a> local area) will either be grandfathered in as designated trails or closed> (if they are in especially resource sensitive areas, such as old growth> native forest areas, as we discussed last week).>> Understanding the above, if your group wants to GPS trails at the NRA we> will certainly accept the information. Thanks Lindy.>> MICHAEL HARVEY> Recreation/Lands Staff Officer> Siuslaw National Forest> 541-750-7046> 541-750-7142 (fax)> mharvey@fs.fed.us>> Recreational development is a job not of building roads into lovely> country,> but of building receptivity into the still unlovely human mind. Aldo> Leopold>
Hi Lindy. Please see Dean's message below. It appears we will not beable> to use with any reliability the GPS information collected in those trail> mazes at the Oregon Dunes NRA. Even with our more sophisticated equipment> the results would likely be very marginal.>> In addition, we just do not need that level of detail for the decisions to> be made. We do not anticipate major changes in those maze systems at the> NRA. We will not be selecting individual trails from the mazes to keep> open or to close. Our NRA employees already know where those maze systems> exist. It will not be a priority for Forest employee time to collect this> highly detailed, but unreliable and unneeded information.>> We are definitely aware of your concerns and interests relative to the> trail mazes at the Oregon Dunes NRA and will consider your interests when> we develop our draft travel management proposal(s). Thank you for your> thought and effort with the GPS effort, but we believe it will be of> limitied value. We will certainly keep you informed about future public> involvement opportunities associated with the travel management effort on> the Forest and will welcome your future input.>> If you have further questions or concerns about this, please contact me.> Thanks, Lindy!!>> MICHAEL HARVEY> Recreation/Lands Staff Officer> Siuslaw National Forest> 541-750-7046> 541-750-7142 (fax)> mharvey@fs.fed.us>> Recreational development is a job not of building roads into lovely> country,> but of building receptivity into the still unlovely human mind.
Subject> Re: Dunes Trails and GPS(Document> link: Michael Harvey)>>>>>>>>>> I have received data from two separate ATV persons. I guess they have> chosen to go ahead and collect GPS data. As predicted, the data is notall> that good and they are taking a lot of time to do the GPS work. Again,> their receivers are not adequate for collecting this data, and to be> truthful, with so many trails that are so close to each other, I don't> believe there would be acceptable results utilizing our FS GPS receiver.>>> Dean Devlin> GIS/Data Services Specialist> U.S. Forest Service> R-6 DRM Customer Services Area 2> e-mail: ddevlin@fs.fed.us Phone: (541) 271-6052> Duty Station: Oregon Dunes NRA, Reedsport OR>>>> Michael> Harvey/R6/USDAFS>
Subject> Dunes Trails and GPS>>>>>>>>>> Hi Lindy. Kathy Fletcher forwarded me the message you sent to your> contacts regarding GPSing all the mazes of trails at the Oregon Dunes NRA.> I also spoke to Dean Devlin regarding the quality of the GPS units likely> to be used and whether the information will be of a quality that we canuse> in our Geographic Information System (GIS). Generally, the> over-the-counter GPS units will not provide data of the quality needed for> our GIS system.>> I don't believe that we need to know every route within those trail mazes> at the NRA. From aerial photos and our employees on the ground, wealready> know where those trail mazes exist. It's unlikely we'll close some of the> trails within a maze and keep others open. That would be too difficult to> implement, to enforce and for riders to understand. I think it's also> unlikely that we will try to confine all riders to one or two routes> through those maze areas. More likely is that entire maze systems (in a> local area) will either be grandfathered in as designated trails or closed> (if they are in especially resource sensitive areas, such as old growth> native forest areas, as we discussed last week).>> Understanding the above, if your group wants to GPS trails at the NRA we> will certainly accept the information. Thanks Lindy.>> MICHAEL HARVEY> Recreation/Lands Staff Officer> Siuslaw National Forest> 541-750-7046> 541-750-7142 (fax)> mharvey@fs.fed.us>> Recreational development is a job not of building roads into lovely> country,> but of building receptivity into the still unlovely human mind. Aldo> Leopold>